Sunday, October 25, 2020

Mormon Polygamy and things

 A response made to a church scholar on mormon polygamy today: 

Those affidavits (made by church members stating Joseph Smith was living polygamy) are based on the beliefs and opinions of members fed with the "follow the prophet or be apostate" teachings of Brigham Young on that topic. He made himself the "one man" with the "keys" to say who gets to have plural wives or anything else. He abused his authority as a head priest and as king of the land. Joseph was doing after this life sealings. Not expanding his carnal marital options. He had no seed with other sealed women, tho a fertile man. Later he learned to do law of adoption sealings and he did those instead of marital sealings. The Tanners and others have much success, because the church and it's scholars still teach that Joseph was doing exactly what they preach is wrong. Joseph's name is being cleared after all this time. By God's real servants in our day. His new covenant people who will be used to redeem Zion soon to come. Joseph was not expanding carnal opportunity. He was not making underaged teenagers his carnal wives. He was not sealing other men's wives to share them. He was not trying to impregnate anyone else but Emma. Eliza said she did not consider herself a carnal wife, and I trust what she said. Those women were not carnal wives like those of old who were reluctantly and temporarily allowed to live something that is foreign to Marriage in the heavens. Foreign to the ideal marriage intended for us in this life, the only type that can be made eternal. John Bennett took Joseph's misunderstood and totally innocent and actually exalting, afterlife sealings, and expanded his carnal desires and opportunities. Brigham took what Joseph was doing, to expand his carnal sexual opportunities, and to preach that a man with a plurality of wives is absolutely required by all to become exalted. With 50+ wives, he certainly did expand his options, teaching by word and example.

The church has been under condemnation since 1832 according to the D&C. The Lord tried to bring it out in Kirtland and Nauvoo. Tried to endow them with power from on high. Tried to give them a chance at Zion for the last time to happen in their day. Joseph was taken early. Temple lost and fully destroyed by fire eventually. The members were cast out completely, coming to the deserts of mexico/salty lake valley. Displacement, death and sickness and loss of land and property. Those are covenant curses. A people given an opportunity for so much and failed and received the penalties they themselves agreed to receive if they did. Brigham Young, and all the errors, false teachings from teaching polygamy is the more exalted way, the only way to be exalted, blood atonement suicide nonsense, oaths or revenge to the killers of Joseph in temple rituals, indian wars to assist the darkness already going on in the USA displacing those who were rightful owners, and unjustified murders of their men, women and children in Mountain Meadows and Utah Indian war and others... all of it, is a sure sign that failure occurred, curses and penalties happened. And all that was followed up with confusion, contradiction and misunderstood teachings on important things like marriage and sealing and fullness of priesthood, not to mention the heavens as brass lack of revelation and divine communication, lack of prophecy, lack of anything that even closely resembles what Joseph Smith actually was... and all those dudes that line our books of scripture were.

Denver, however odd it may appear, has been called of God to do what he is doing. There are thousands of awakened, repentant, truth seeking LDS, preparing the way for the redemption of Zion at last. While the heads of the church see not, prophecy nothing, seer no new scripture into place, and have no idea how or when God is going to redeem Zion. In fact, they cast out the righteous from within the church, who are reconnecting with the Lord, a church that should have welcomed such things. And one leader went so far to actually teach that such things are not necessary and shouldn't actually be sought after. Tho it still teaches thru it's temple ordinances to do those very things that Denver and others have experienced. They abuse their authority be saying stop writing your books, sharing your measage or else. God says do, leaders say don't. Man obeys God and suffers removal from a church he loved. Then they reject his pleadings to stay, all the way to the top. Then they cast out any who simply reads his writings and agrees with his view of history. A people who actually care sooo much about their religion. The truth. God and being and doing what He needs.

I will admit I don't even like how Denver says what he says about church scholars on the PM topic. But it is necessary to get attention. I don't like how scholars respond in defense. It all can level out eventually. This is a serious thing that needs understood at last. It has caused so much chaos since the seed of cain first lived it. Especially among the LDS. Simply opening the mind and the heart and deeply analyzing it all, and expecting the Lord's impressions or words to the mortal mind, both can reveal the truth to us now. Give us the proper conclusions and understandings. Simply putting yourself in the shoes of a humble, meek wife being taught she needs to accept and live it, despite everything within her telling her she cannot accept it, imagining how her heart is broken within for doing so, should be enough. How can anyone ever be used to redeem Zion if they fail to clearly see all the many ways that have destroyed it from remaining or being restored in times past? How can we ever see eye to eye without doing the work to reason it out to get there? We must clearly see all the failures of the past, so that the risk of failure this time around is minimized as much as possible.

So many things in history. So many errors. Surely when God puts His spirit in men/women, if they are meek and humble and open like a child to accept truth, God can show all the many ways error and failure creeps in to destroy. In families, relationships, organizations, Zion prep group, etc.

This is one of the greatest errors in Mormonism. It opened the window to greater errors. Our history is ugly. It was wrong. It deserves apologies given to the world. Not defended or ignored or continued. We need to defend Joseph Smith's legacy, to challenge the Tanners and other critics, not keep giving them reason to keep pointing their fingers.

Plural marriage was reluctantly allowed for rare situations, in times of old, as stated in different revelations that are found in the first part of D&C 132. But it is not what is required for exaltation. It is not the original intent. Not the way of eternity. 1 wife, sealed with 1 husband, is. D&C says A wife, A wife in 132... a sealed wife is required. The equal ying/yang to completion. Equal, fair, complete. That is the Image of God. The alterations in D&C132 by Brigham in the1852 D&C addition, about a wife being "destroyed" somehow, if her husband teaches her all about polygamy and she still rejects it... is not valid scripture. It is unrighteous dominion and manipulation to control women. Emma was an amazing woman. She was not what Brigham tried to portray her as. She was one of the Elect then and she is now, with her husband. No one should speak evil of the elect of God, male or female.

The Church lost the seals, the sealing power that can continue Father to son, at the death of Joseph and Hyrum, lost there. That was allowed. Joseph went in knowing what would occur. Their failure for Zion and to the Lord, and probably some of his own, broke his heart. That is the reason for his tears with hands to his face. He was tired of false accusations and friends turning against him. So much was lost there. And failure and false assumptions and pride has been our problem ever since. Not to mention the adultery, murder and lies the BoM clearly teaches the readers of the book in the last days to avoid and would end up doing. Our org is the only that could be polluting the Holy Church of God in the last days. God gave the adopted seed of Joseph, the modern church, an opportunity to listen and repent and return since Nauvoo. The train continued onward on its own course.

Arms of flesh cast out the righteous from among us. So displaced from the hearing the truth and the message that Christ Himself wanted them to hear and accept. To the point of also losing God honoring aaronic priesthood and ordinances in the church.

I don't like any of it. I loved my days in the church. It was part of my identity. But the error is growing and continuing. It's plain to see for those that see and hear. Repentance is ignored and those sharing the message are given the finger of scorn, when they deserved a listening ear and care. They deserved your arms of compassion.

I once thought like you Brian. I researched for so many years. I read your stuff and that of many other historians. My wife (now ex thanks to church history actually) thought I was crazy for being so consumed in our own history. I was. It was that serious to me. I thought I had our strange history all figured out. But it only became worse the more I researched and prayed for answers. It boggles my mind that so many stalwart members could write up those affidavits about what they tried to show Joseph was up to, but they were under priestly pressure to do so. And in Mormonism, if you don't follow your leader, you are considered apostate and worthy of the finger of scorn and shunning. God wanted the USA to force the mormon ways of polygamy from them. He did not want Taylor setting apart secret priesthood leaders to continue plural marriages like fundies claim. Or Woodruff secretly keeping some leaders in Mexico continuing plural marriages even after the manifesto stunt. Not only was plural marriage being lived wrong in the polyg days of the church, it was lived without any man, including Brigham, having any higher authority or allowance from God to do so, which equates to unsanctioned polygamy or worse.

The errors are clear to me. They can become such for anyone. Yes, we need that discernment... without all the judgement and emotional responding.

Pres Benson gave talks to turn to Love the BoM to come out from under condemnation. Nibley and so many others tried to wake the church up to see error and analyze ourselves. Zion was lost. The power to redeem it was lost. It never came back since. The opportunity to come out from it was granted for a time. God did try to wake up the church with good servants within. He tried to clean things up with the force of the USA government before that. So many blindly assume all is well. Pacified. They like the social structure. They want what they want. While the truth, and the messengers trying to share it, are ignored or labeled and discarded. God chose a regular dude, a regular tho stalwart member among us with actual 40 yrs of prep by Angels, and 15 or so years of prep by the Lord Himself to continue the failed restoration, only after continued failure and ignoring of messengers within before him. The Lord obviously knew what the outcome would be when he sends a lowly member, with His message instead of those who sit in high seats. So he prepped a man for 40+ yrs, and that man not even knowing what the Lord would eventually do with him. The Lord would take 40 yrs to prep the man, because he foresaw the response when restoration like experiences and claims began again among members, especially when those things are sorely lacking among GA's. Everything Denver wrote in his books to the LDS people, are exactly what we needed to hear and learn from. Our prized org failed the Lord long ago. And we need to understand and repent and return to how things were in Joseph's days, or like among the many in our scriptures. We need to turn to the ways of our Fathers and DO THEM. I so worry that like those who cast out the righteous in the BOM, makes those once righteous claiming people ripe for future destruction. The last days destructions are close. This continent is going to suffer and endure so much, as well as all others. I want to be found in Zion. Not in the wake of destruction coming. I want to see as many repentant LDS people there. We need to clearly see all the error and come out of it and avoid any more of it. We are imperfect people full of emotions and weaknesses. We need to always remain humble, seeking for truth and understanding, and the mercy and presence of the Lord in all ways possible.

The Lord is beginning the strange act of the Father. The final act for the ending of this cycle of time. It's strange, but similar to the same ways as done in scripture before. Those who know their scriptures will be open to it, simply because it was before. Those who care enough, will listen. They will search and study and spend serious knee time before God. I know it seems strange and is hard to hear. But hear it, see it, and hopefully we can end up in the Lord's coming Zion, seeing eye to eye then, at last.

Monday, October 12, 2020

American Indian Holiday Today

 Today is a great holiday.

It's time for the ephraimite gentile immigrants, and even the seed of American Indian fore-fathers, to recognize the former prophecies and promises made to righteous fore-fathers of this land. The end times are near. Prophecies and promises made to righteous Fathers of old, in this land and of eastern countries, are happening and great but also dreadful things are coming to this land and all others. It's time for the righteous among all full and mixed blood American Indians, along with the help from true Christian gentile (to this land, but still the seed of older Fathers like Abraham) brothers to repent, awaken and arise. Avoid the fighting and pointing fingers as the world is doing. Causing division and contention and fear and anger. We need to connect with our God. We need to do that which He already promised will come about. The righteous will hear the truth and feel the Spirit of God burn within them when they do.
There is one Father above, over us all. He has a Son. Some of you and your ancestors refer to them as the Great Spirit, or the spirit of nature, etc. Prophets of old have walked this land as well as others. We need to return to their ways. Do what they did. Be true Christians like them. Not the ways of organized religions of today. They are all out of the way. All are corrupted by man. God needs the original ways restored. Examine the movement. See what God and His Son is already doing, with mankind once again, in preparation for Zion and the end times prepatory for the Second Coming. God has worked directly with men of old, He surely must needs do the same in the most important wrap up events of creation. For those who hear and see, who feel within to investigate more:

"I give unto men weaknesses, that they might become strengths unto them"

 Many with weaknesses, fail to realize the co-existing opposing strengths, and even strengths that can come from having a weakness. Those with emotional weaknesses sometimes see things most take for granted or cognitively unaware of. A deep questioning and pondering mind, see's that which others fail to contemplate deeply enough. For others, greater things may remain superficial, un-serious, un-understood. If one cannot see/behold/understand their own weaknesses, and that strengths that attend them, how can one understand/behold greater truths? How can one help and support and be there for others in their weaknesses? It's the reason those things are disclosed in scripture... about the Lord making weaknesses to become strengths. He uses them to prepare and exalt us. See them. Be grateful for the positive things that come with them. They keep men humble and always questioning and searching and pondering deeply. Be thankful for them to a point, but also let the Lord make weaknesses strong unto us. Let the Lord help us overcome them in time, or at least use them for strong purposes - the work and glory of Father and Son.

If the Lord tells you, that you are His son, it has special and specific meaning. It is above that of a servant, and co-exists with that after. He is an Eternal Father forever to such souls. Some in the BOM declared Jesus is the very Eternal Father, because He became such... to them individually. It's the ultimate goal and reason we come here to receive and then maintain. To join His eternal family via a certain spiritual adoption. Few behold that necessity, let alone receive the designation, even then it's often to their own surprise and following doubts of hearing it, even when more than one voice may declare it. Despite it being hinted to or explained in scripture and repetitious LDS ordinances. And many who hear such, have a hard time maintaining it, and some can still end up losing it (in the current mortality at least) thanks to the buffetings of fear and seeds of doubt that satan uses to prevent that persons progression and growth and maintenance of that station with God. The 2nd necessity for exaltation or a fulness of the former, is to have an eternal companion sealed and the relationship to be such that it endures. This is required. Women must align themselves with, or encourage her partner to obtain such, so both progress as one. All must arise to such things in this life, or be damned (no not to hell hopefully, but stopped from progression - on pause for a time). And when such things are attained to, the greater work is getting thru al the tests and trials and buffetings that will be there to throw you off the path you are in deed on. Weaknesses can be for our good. Strengths can sometimes lead to our downfall. Be meek in both.
Ether12:27 And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.

Ether 12:37: And because thou hast seen thy weakness thou shalt be made strong, even unto the sitting down in the place which I have prepared in the mansions of my Father.

2 Cor 1:43 - "And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing, I implored the Lord three times that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for you; for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore, I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake; for when I am weak, then am I strong."
-His grace is sufficient for us, His strength can make us perfect like Him, thanks to our weakness that can propel/assist us there. Weaknesses are exactly what the Lord needs to make us perfect through His strength - His grace or power and authority and extreme empathetic/loving capability to do so. People have them in one way or another, all on differing levels at that. None are alone. All struggle. All have some weaknesses. We are here to experience them and get through them best we can, while becoming humble, understanding truth

Ether 5:5 - And when I had said this, the Lord spake unto me, saying, Fools mock, but they shall mourn. And my grace is sufficient for the meek, that they shall take no advantage of your weakness. And if men come unto me, I will shew unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness, that they may be humble. And my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them. Behold, I will shew unto the gentiles their weakness. And I will shew unto them that faith, hope, and charity bringeth unto me, the fountain of all righteousness. -
"In the quiet service for others, when our minds finally come to rest on the only one who can save us, we can find that peace where the Lord comes to us and speaks words of comfort. He is real. He exists, and He comforts those who come to Him offering a broken heart and contrite spirit, and to none other."
2 Cor 1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.